GraceD YOUR WORDS

GRACED YOUR WORDS
George Müller told of a wealthy German whose wife was a devout believer. This man was a heavy drinker, spending late nights in the tavern. She would send the servants to bed, stay up till he returned, receive him kindly, and never scold him or complain. At times she would even have to undress him and put him to bed.

One night in the tavern he said to his cronies, “I bet if we go to my house, my wife will be sitting up, waiting for me. She’ll come to the door, give us a royal welcome, and even make supper for us, if I ask her.”

They were skeptical at first, but decided to go along and see. Sure enough, she came to the door, received them courteously, and willingly agreed to make supper for them without the slightest trace of resentment. After serving them, she went off to her room. As soon as she had left, one of the men began to condemn the husband. “What kind of a man are you to treat such a good woman so miserably?” The accuser got up without finishing his supper and left the house. Another did the same and another till they had all departed without eating the meal.

Within a half hour, the husband became deeply convicted of his wickedness, and especially of his heartless treatment of his wife. He went to his wife’s room, asked her to pray for him, repented of his sins, and surrendered to Christ. From that time on, he became a devoted disciple of the Lord Jesus. Won without a word!

George Müller advised:
Don’t be discouraged if you have to suffer from unconverted relatives. Perhaps very shortly the Lord may give you the desire of your heart, and answer your prayer for them. But in the meantime, seek to commend the truth, not by reproaching them on account of their behavior toward you, but by manifesting toward them the meekness, gentleness and kindness of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Psalms 5 7 - Praise Him in Trust.

Psalm 57

For the choir director: A psalm of David, regarding the time he fled from Saul and went into the cave. To be sung to the tune “Do Not Destroy!”

 ¹ Have mercy on me, O God, have mercy!

      I look to you for protection.

   I will hide beneath the shadow of your wings

      until the danger passes by.

 ² I cry out to God Most High,^[a]

      to God who will fulfill his purpose for me.

 ³ He will send help from heaven to rescue me,

      disgracing those who hound me.

                         Interlude

   My God will send forth his unfailing love and faithfulness. ⁴ I am surrounded by fierce lions

      who greedily devour human prey—

   whose teeth pierce like spears and arrows,

      and whose tongues cut like swords.

 ⁵ Be exalted, O God, above the highest heavens!

      May your glory shine over all the earth.

 ⁶ My enemies have set a trap for me.

      I am weary from distress.

   They have dug a deep pit in my path,

      but they themselves have fallen into it.

                         Interlude

 ⁷ My heart is confident in you, O God;

      my heart is confident.

      No wonder I can sing your praises!

 ⁸ Wake up, my heart!

      Wake up, O lyre and harp!

      I will wake the dawn with my song.

 ⁹ I will thank you, Lord, among all the people.

      I will sing your praises among the nations.

 ¹⁰ For your unfailing love is as high as the heavens.

      Your faithfulness reaches to the clouds.

 ¹¹ Be exalted, O God, above the highest heavens.

      May your glory shine over all the earth.

You Obey but No breakthrough ?

I found this article on this website - Livingwaters Prophetic Ministries

The end-time is very crucial period to the body of Christ as a whole.  Because it is a time of intense warfare and demonic opposition. In this end-time, we need to rise up as God’s victorious army and take our place in the battle field. 

 Let’s Quickly Consider The Place Of Strongholds In Delay.

Strongholds are fortresses and stumbling blocks used by the enemy to limit people and cage them into a particular state or position. They are yokes of limitations held together by demons and evil spirits assigned for such purpose. Strongholds are sources of oppression which serve as weights and burdens to people, in order to impede their progress. To possess our possession, we must be willing to fight and pull down every stronghold. Because until we resist the devil he will not flee. Until we evacuate every illegal occupant in our territory, we cannot fully enjoy our inheritance.

II Corinthians 10:3-6

Verse 3: For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:

Verse 4: (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds ;)

Verse 5: Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

Verse 6: And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled

Our warfare is not against men but with forces of darkness & our weapons are also spiritual weapons. Before we can fully revenge all disobedience, our obedience must be fulfilled. Many hearts has been made sick because the devil has used his strongholds to hinder their desires & expectations from coming to life.

Proverbs 13:12

Verse 12:  Hope deferred maketh the heart sick: but when the desire cometh, it is a tree of life.

One thing you should know is that God is a God of principles. And His word has laid for us certain principles that make things work. All of God’s promises are conditional. Except we meet the condition we cannot partake of the blessings & promises. The devil cannot stop God from doing what God wants to do in our lives. Neither can he stop God’s word from being fruitful.

Isaiah 55:11

Verse 11:  So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

Isaiah 14:24-27

Verse 24: The LORD of hosts hath sworn, saying, Surely as I have thought, so shall it come to pass; and as I have purposed, so shall it stand:

25: That I will break the Assyrian in my land, and upon my mountains tread him under foot: then shall his yoke depart from off them, and his burden depart from off their shoulders.

26: This is the purpose that is purposed upon the whole earth: and this is the hand that is stretched out upon all the nations.

27:  For the LORD of hosts hath purposed, and who shall disannul it? and his hand is stretched out, and who shall turn it back?

But the devil can hinder or stop us from meeting the needed conditions that will make us partake of the promises & blessings. This assignment is carried out by the strongholds of the enemy through our imaginations, thoughts, ignorance etc.

Job 36:11

Verse 11: If they obey and serve him, they    shall spend their days in prosperity, and their years in pleasures.

“If” proves this to be a conditional promise. God expects us to live in abundance because He takes pleasure in our prosperity. But except we fulfill the condition of obedience and service, we cannot partake of this promise. The strongholds work by hindering us from obeying God’s voice and serving Him faithfully. If we do not obey and serve Him we cannot live our days in prosperity and our years in pleasures.

Deut. 28:1-14

Verse 1:  And it shall come to pass, if thou shalt hearken diligently unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe and to do all his commandments which I command thee this day, that the LORD thy God will set thee on high above all nations of the earth:

2:  And all these blessings shall come on thee, and overtake thee, if thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God.

3:   Blessed shalt thou be in the city, and blessed shalt thou be in the field.

4:   Blessed shall be the fruit of thy body, and the fruit of thy ground, and the fruit of thy cattle, the increase of thy kine, and the flocks of thy sheep.

5:   Blessed shall be thy basket and thy store.

6:   Blessed shalt thou be when thou comest in, and blessed shalt thou be when thou goest out.

7:   The LORD shall cause thine enemies that rise up against thee to be smitten before thy face: they shall come out against thee one way, and flee before thee seven ways.

8:  The LORD shall command the blessing upon thee in thy storehouses, and in all that thou settest thine hand unto; and he shall bless thee in the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.

9:  The LORD shall establish thee an holy people unto himself, as he hath sworn unto thee, if thou shalt keep the commandments of the LORD thy God, and walk in his ways.

10:   And all people of the earth shall see that thou art called by the name of the LORD; and they shall be afraid of thee.

11:  And the LORD shall make thee plenteous in goods, in the fruit of thy body, and in the fruit of thy cattle, and in the fruit of thy ground, in the land which the LORD sware unto thy fathers to give thee.

12:  The LORD shall open unto thee his good treasure, the heaven to give the rain unto thy land in his season, and to bless all the work of thine hand: and thou shalt lend unto many nations, and thou shalt not borrow.

13:   And the LORD shall make thee the head, and not the tail; and thou shalt be above only, and thou shalt not be beneath; if that thou hearken unto the commandments of the LORD thy God, which I command thee this day, to observe and to do them:

14  And thou shalt not go aside from any of the words which I command thee this day, to the right hand, or to the left, to go after other gods to serve them.

The blessings outlined in this passage are conditional ones based on the fulfillment of verse 1. Many people claim to be the head and not the tail but still find themselves under. Because God did not say we are the head and not the tail. He said He will MAKE us the head and not the tail IF we walk in OBEDIENCE to His revealed will.

Psalm 1:1-3

Verse 1: Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.

2:  But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.

3:  And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper.

There are many things which the devil puts in our way to make us have delay and these are called STRONGHOLDS OF DELAY.  God does not want to delay you from having a child, a good family, a good job, a business breakthrough. But you must pull down all the strongholds of the devil. Consider Daniel, he was hindered by strongholds of delay for 21 days. Have you prayed and trusted God for a change in your business and there is still no change? Break the strongholds of delay.

 Have you done all you know to do in God’s word in order to get the right partner to marry, and still remain single?  Break the strongholds of delay. Is your marriage in trouble, and your family out of order despite series of intercessions? Break the strongholds of delay.

 Have you trusted God for admission, promotion or employment and you still don’t have it, even when you stand on God’s word and refuse to compromise? Break the strongholds of delay.

 Is your finances out of place and your debts increasing regardless of your sowing and sacrifices to the kingdom?  Break the strongholds of delay.

Are you facing devourers in your health, your business or your family even after being faithful in tithing and giving?  Break the strongholds of delay.

 Have you sown and sacrificed and done all kinds of kingdom investments without seeing any harvest? Break the strongholds of delay.

 Have you been promised something only to be turned back anytime you appear for it? Break the strongholds of delay.

Families..and blessing or a mindfield ?

FAMILIES..Blessing or Mindfield ?

Together with my two boys, my wife and I have been living with my parents for the past 6-7 years. 

When God spoke to us late in 2003 to step out of our ministry responsibilities then with Calvary Charismatic Centre(now is Calvary City Church), God spoke to us to sell off everything and just follow Him. So we sold off our car and move out of our rented house and move back into my parents home. Few months later after moving back home, Caroline gave birth to Jeremy in April of 2004. Joel, came 4 years later in 2008.

I would say staying back home with my wife and sons was a blessing indeed but at times can be a mindfield that kept on exploding in our faces.

I realise today, I have no one to blame but the decisions I have made that brought us through this path. 

For my wife and I, we obeyed God to plant Word of Life and to trust Him for all of our life. So we have been living by faith alone. Many have asked me if I shud get a job. Sure I did ask God, and I did try starting businesses..however many times the "businesses" failed terribly. How can I disobey GOd when He spoke to revealed 3 times that my WORK is to work out the Church. He will take care of us. So I obey and God has been blessing us tremendously.

I found out later in the years that my parents has been paying the instalments of my car and helping me out with milk powder for my children. Example, when my dad was still working in his clinic, they used to get free supply of milk powder from agents. So we had free milk powder for our babies for a long time. All this have come without me asking. Of course there were times when I panicked and I did ask for help..but only handful of times.

God showed me that while I have this favour, I need to work hard to work out the Church. In the past few years, ministry was tough..I nearly died being electrocuted. Church member wanted to sue me because she was not happy that I always teach about tithing and offering during our offering time in church. Of late, in rebuilding the church, finances was a challenge. I realise the enemy likes to kick you when you are down at out. However we never lost faith because Jesus kept revealing Himself to us and kept us in Him through the thick and thin. It was this year, that the church suddenly turn the corner. Today, God has blessed us with the support of another church and great friends in the ministry. God is indeed working things out for our good and for His glory.

In all this while, my wife and I knew that God was going to give us a house of our own one day. This was a subject that turn heaven into hell for us many times. We've decided to never move in offense but in peace. My wife has really paid the price living at "home". But we've both have worked hard to grow closer to my parents. However, without much of an income..especially when things got difficult, we realised we were slowly becoming a burden. Many times I've asked God to bless through others but not my parents. They don't understand what faith is..and I don't want them to lose their salvation.

In the past, I did not want to move out yet also because, I saw my parents were lonely and that the grandchildren added to their joy each day. I told my mom a long time ago, that I will take care of them. They don't have to include me in their will..I don't need that..I don't want to fight with my siblings even though their comments are so harsh at times. What to do..being the youngest has its benefits and difficulties too. 

It is recently, we've decided to move out. As of writing this blog post, we are actively praying and looking for the house GOd is giving to us. Things are improving for us in big steps..thank God.

In all of this I learned a big lesson.

1. Don't live at the mercy of others.

2. Obey God early, and try to not be moved by circumstances.

3. Work out your faith so that God will release blessings overflowing to you.

4. When you live with others, open your hearts to give in all the time.

5. Others will not understand. So don't bother about others.

6. Sort out your finances early.

7. Listen to your wife.

Luv Edwin.

Breaking the Bondange of Financial Debts

 Breaking the Bondange of Financial Debts

Financial debts is not a problem you can get out of without the help of the Holy Spirit breaking the bondage..Debts = Sin.

Credit card is not sin..as money is not sin..Sin is an outward result of an inward rebellion towards God...Why people get into debt? greed, careless,living a life without prayer, unbelief..all this are symptoms of the root cause...the root of all evil...Sin..pride..a life where God is not involve. (Rom 1:28)..Pride is saying I am God..God is not important. I can control my own life..I can create..I can do what I want...That's why just because people pray the sinners prayer..but never follow God..does not guarantee them heaven. (Mt 7:21)..Debts in the concordance has the same meaning of Sin..

Satan uses our "rebellion" to lock us in..that's why many people trying to "get out" ..find it very very hard to get out..its like a blackhole sucking them in...when we are in sin..we are held in bondage because of sin...Only God can forgive us of sin and remove the unrighteousness from us (1 John 1:9), (Isaiah 10:27) (Psalms 68:6),(Rom 5-6)....btw..when we fast, when we tithe, when we pray that 1 hour each day...its saying to God..i don't want to be God..God your are.

There is a better way of course ..see Isaiah 55, Psalms 23.

Repentance is key.

That's all for now..

Luv Edwin Koh

Isaiah 55

New International Version (NIV)

Isaiah 55

Invitation to the Thirsty

 ¹ “Come, all you who are thirsty,
   come to the waters;
and you who have no money,
   come, buy and eat!
Come, buy wine and milk
   without money and without cost.
² Why spend money on what is not bread,
   and your labor on what does not satisfy?
Listen, listen to me, and eat what is good,
   and you will delight in the richest of fare.
³ Give ear and come to me;
   listen, that you may live.
I will make an everlasting covenant with you,
   my faithful love promised to David.
⁴ See, I have made him a witness to the peoples,
   a ruler and commander of the peoples.
⁵ Surely you will summon nations you know not,
   and nations you do not know will come running to you,
because of the LORD your God,
   the Holy One of Israel,
   for he has endowed you with splendor.”

 ⁶ Seek the LORD while he may be found;
   call on him while he is near.
⁷ Let the wicked forsake their ways
   and the unrighteous their thoughts.
Let them turn to the LORD, and he will have mercy on them,
   and to our God, for he will freely pardon.

 ⁸ “For my thoughts are not your thoughts,
   neither are your ways my ways,”
            declares the LORD.
⁹ “As the heavens are higher than the earth,
   so are my ways higher than your ways
   and my thoughts than your thoughts.
¹⁰ As the rain and the snow
   come down from heaven,
and do not return to it
   without watering the earth
and making it bud and flourish,
   so that it yields seed for the sower and bread for the eater,
¹¹ so is my word that goes out from my mouth:
   It will not return to me empty,
but will accomplish what I desire
   and achieve the purpose for which I sent it.
¹² You will go out in joy
   and be led forth in peace;
the mountains and hills
   will burst into song before you,
and all the trees of the field
   will clap their hands.
¹³ Instead of the thornbush will grow the juniper,
   and instead of briers the myrtle will grow.
This will be for the LORD’s renown,
   for an everlasting sign,
   that will endure forever.”

Money No Have, Money bo liao ?

MONEY NO HAVE, MONEY BO LIAO ?

Stop playing God was the most important message ever preached at Word of Life this year. The root to all evil is man trying to be god (Rom 1:28-). Forgetting about God and thinking he is able to "create". So sorry mate, creating is not in our power..that power belongs to God. When we step back and allow God to be God, then you can experience the power of salvation in Christ.

I love meditating on Scripture. Isaac dug up wells in the valley of gerar..gerar means ruminant..to meditate.  My favourite scriptures that I commit to memory is Gen 12:1-3 (God's Covenant with Abram), Psalms 23 (the Lord is my Shepherd), Isaiah 60 and 61...John 10:10- God came to bless us and bless us abundantly..and John 20:29..blessed are those that have not seen but yet believe in Jesus.! The Word bless is the greek makarios it means to be well-off. It means to have all things for together for our good..it means to be happier than before..Who is ever happy with problems sitting in our thoughts every day ? I am not ! Psalms 68 tells us God will bring those that are bound into prosperity..It also tells us God has prep-up benefits (blessings) each day for us ! God's thoughts itself towards us are good thoughts ! Best of all, I call the Supreme Christ, the Supreme GOd..Daddy !

I see many people struggle be it in ministry,business or life itself when they need more and need to be self-sufficient. God never created man to be self-sufficient in himself. God created man to be in HIs Kingdom. Only when Man are born again through the word and Filled and led by the Holy Spirit only then they enter into the Kingdom of God where there is flowing eternal abundance for you ! true riches (See Isaiah 55).

The mistake people make.."Lets see what I need to do to get more and to have more". Without a relationship with God, many will become "god". Many will make the mistake or taking their eyes of the real and true provider. This is where Churches lose anointing. This is where Christians step into the plans of the enemy and bondage.

Recently, my wife and I were so messed up with our finances. Suddenly, God's providence just ceased when it was just trickling in the past. We have chosen to live a "crazy" life by faith. Meaning we don't have salary slips. Sometimes it has been tough and challenging especially when having kids..wanting to love them and give them things...we need money ! Even now, with expansion plans for a church of 9 adults and 11 children. The church is at a size where I know who tithes and who does not ! haha

After settling utilities bills and rental..sometimes we only have enough just to buy sweets hehe..How to live a life on just RM20 per week ? At this point we have not been able to even maintain the rental of our church premise. Yet we are moved in our hearts to move out and have a house before end of July and a van for the church plus a expanding Church. I keep asking God, 9 Adults plus 11 children..why expand ? He tells, me when I obey..I will discover ! True. When I shared it with our prayer group, they too said it is time to expand. After that God begin to show me His plans. Ok we are going along..now finances ? !!!!

Lord provide !!!! In the past I've entertain many thoughts like ordinary people..to get a job, to invest, to do whatever to have MORE MONEY !!! But everytime, God shoots them down..every thing I did to make more money for church (very noble isn't it ? hahah ...not with God)..It made nothing ! I baked cupcakes ..all I got back was RM10.00 hahaha the amount I put in to buy the ingredients ! hahaha

This past 2 weeks..I had enough !I want my breakthrough. So the only way I know how..on my knees ! Every hour, I dedicated 10-15 minutes to pray. God thought me to trust Him. In trusting Him, He made me know He will do it His way..only then can He be glorified ! Ok ..I'm all in for it ! Not easy K..when you have nothing to hold on to in the natural...but I found my faith growing growing growing ! Radical prayer ...haha more like desperate prayers !

SUddenly last Thursday (30 June)..God told me that our journey in tribulations is over ! We have stood with our faith intact and our love for Christ growing..actually His love for me never ending !..My mother In- Law told Caroline on Saturday, then God told her the best He has for us is right ahead of us.  Can you believe it ! God open doors for me to preach at a fellowship in KLIUC in August and Singapore too in September !

On Friday night (1 July)..God told me that money is coming in !..True event..the next day, my sister in-law gave to Caroline RM300.00. On Sunday in Church we collected the best offering ever RM400 plus !!! After taking our guest speaker out to lunch..we were left with RM200 plus..He declined the love offering. Still not enough to pay our rental outstanding..plus my own needs are still staring me in the face..BE GONE IN JESUS NAME !

All I know was after Church on Sunday, I kept praying..God told me the night before and that day itself turn your praying to praising !..So for the whole day, I kept praising GOd...I walk by faith each step by faith...For the Lord is my tower ...wow wow wow !!!

On Monday first time ever, Rev June Yuen from Faith Methodist msg me on facebook. She told me that her church is going to support us with RM500/month until the end of 2011. WOW WOW WOW !!!!!!!! I was tearing in joy when I saw the message ! 

I believe more is coming ! Jesus is my more than enough !

Why all this happened ? Because God showed me His kingdom. That is the message I must preach and will preached..but He showed me, when I take up my cross, it is not to struggle..but to take up our crosses of victory..as we give up our dead works and destiny to pick up the life giving power of God for our lives ! Christ in me the hope of glory ! When we put our hands on the plow to win the lost, God knows our heart is in the right place. ! He will bless !!! So turn your "work" into platforms to share Christ ! I agree with Christ and yield to the King of the Kingdom to declare His decree to be part of His purpose 100%.

Hahahahahahahaha ! I'm Rejoicing ! ..so from here on we need a new house, a new van and soo much more...

Go forward, and while doing that..let God lead ..Keep your eyes on Him !

You can trust in Jesus man !

Luv Edwin

Isaiah 55:1-10

 ¹ “Ho! Everyone who thirsts,
      Come to the waters;
      And you who have no money,
      Come, buy and eat.
      Yes, come, buy wine and milk
      Without money and without price.
       ² Why do you spend money for what is not bread,
      And your wages for what does not satisfy?
      Listen carefully to Me, and eat what is good,
      And let your soul delight itself in abundance.
       ³ Incline your ear, and come to Me.
      Hear, and your soul shall live;
      And I will make an everlasting covenant with you—
      The sure mercies of David.
       ⁴ Indeed I have given him as a witness to the people,
      A leader and commander for the people.
       ⁵ Surely you shall call a nation you do not know,
      And nations who do not know you shall run to you,
      Because of the LORD your God,
      And the Holy One of Israel;
      For He has glorified you.”
       ⁶ Seek the LORD while He may be found,
      Call upon Him while He is near.
       ⁷ Let the wicked forsake his way,
      And the unrighteous man his thoughts;
      Let him return to the LORD,
      And He will have mercy on him;
      And to our God,
      For He will abundantly pardon.
       ⁸ “ For My thoughts are not your thoughts,
      Nor are your ways My ways,” says the LORD.
       ⁹ “ For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
      So are My ways higher than your ways,
      And My thoughts than your thoughts.

What is The Church ?

What Is the Church ? Why Go To Church ?

The Church is not the building and neither is it an organisation..the Church that Jesus refers to is every believer. In Mt 16:19 - Jesus said, I will build the church and the gates of hell will not prevail against the Church. In Greek, the Church is Ekklesia...Jesus is responsible to call out a people who do not know God, to follow Him and in and and through us build His kingdom !


In Genesis 12, God called Abram out of Haran and out of Terah...Its the same call today...God wants us to get out of a life where God is not there. Get out of a life where you walk in rebellion and unbelieve - SIN. Get out of a future that is gloomy..and walk with God to a greater life !

We must allow God to work in us...only when the church worship Him and lives for Him..to be faithful worshipper and passionate witness of the kingdom ..a simple question..how many people choose to go to Church on God's Sabbath these days (Is 58). Jesus was angry with the people that defiled the church, defiled their lives..(Mt 21)..nobody could get in..the moment Jesus threw out the rubbish nonsense..and He goes back in ...you will read that the people in need started flooding the church....Its so easy to run down other churches and christians..but the only one we can really work on first..is ME...lets allow the fire of the Holy Ghost burn away the dross and sin..so that faith can rise again.

The Church represents the Kingdom of God...It is build by Christ..in His Word, In His Power (Holy Spirit), in His Character...and only then can the Church bring glory to Christ...

The Church is you and me. Lets be faithful with the little that  God puts in our hands (time, money, resources)..when we can walk through the fire and flood with our faith in tact...only then the abundance will overflow !

Be the Church and let  God build the glorious Church that shines for God. After all, the Church is the place God meets His people..As He meets us as one He also meets us as our bodies are His temple. Jesus is in You !

The Kingdom of God is not coming..it is here. (Mt 10:7)
  
The CHurch is not here to just to meet my needs, the Church is each believer in unity shinning the light of the Glory of God in a community that has lost hope..YOU ARE the CITY ON THE HILL ! so stop running down Pastors and churches..love the Church of God again ! because God loves His church !

The Church is God's plan..it takes one that God works through..then it becomes more than 1..then it keeps growing and growing and growing ! ..Don't look down on God's plan..be in God's plan ! If there's something wrong with God's church, lets begin with ME ! ME needs to die first.